iCab Yahoo! Group


The iCab Yahoo! Group is an English-language discussion forum of iCab enthusiasts. Topics are all versions of iCab – old and new, Classic and OS X, Mac and iPhone/iPad. We're generally a courteous lot and absolutely welcome new members. Looking forward to meet you there!

Traffic is relatively low these days. (iCab is like the Mac: It just works.) The Yahoo! site offers message delivery by individual emails, daily email digest, or you can simply use Yahoo!'s web interface at the address above. The web interface also offers a searchable archive, going back to 1999.

To become a member of this group, you need a free Yahoo! account. Alternatively, the mailing list can also be subscribed independently (individual messages only). This is useful if you do not wish to get a Yahoo! account, but would still like to join the discussions.

Anti-Spam Measures

We receive very little spam. To keep it that way, we're currently testing (starting February 2014) what Yahoo! calls “moderated for new members.” This ought to be effective at keeping the spam at its current low volume or below – in fact, we actually expect the group to be totally spam-free. We'll see how that works out.

So, this is the current situation:

  • anyone can join, subscribe to new messages and browse old ones in the archive
  • the first message you send to the group (for distribution to everyone) will be moderated
  • moderators will always clear your message unless it's obviously spam (porn or sales pitches, that kind of thing)
    (this may take more than a couple of hours; we ask you to please be patient with us!)
  • all of your messages after the first one are totally unmoderated and will be distributed to all subscribers immediately

If you're a spammer: Make sure to make the first message good. We love fiction. wink

In case of trouble: Feel free to email me. See my personal TWiki page ArneJohannessen for contact information.

The Yahoo! Subject Header Bug

The iCab Yahoo! Group modifies the subject of all messages by inserting the string [iCab] at the beginning of the subject if that string is not yet somewhere (anywhere) in the subject. The email specification does not allow this behaviour. A reply must start with the string Re: . It is very problematic because in some email programs a reply that doesn't start with Re: is presented as the first message of a new thread. it effectively makes the following of threads so difficult as to be almost impossible. It was at one point thought that the behaviour could easily be corrected by means of a simple group configuration change. Pointers on how to do this would be appreciated.

With most email programs this issue is not a problem. They automatically create a correct subject when you hit the Reply button. Only some email programs misbehave, which means that you'll have to manually repair the subject before sending your message.

Fortunately, there is an easy (though laborious) workaround: Ensure that the subject header starts with the string Re: [iCab] always when you reply to a message. This works because [1] it adheres to the email specification and [2] if the string [iCab] is already in the subject, Yahoo!'s list server will not change the subject. This applies to replying from Yahoo!'s web interface as well as direct email messages.

If you do not apply this workaround, some members might not receive your messages. If that matters to you, you might find that you need to fix your email software to comply with the group software's misbehaviour.

All this applies to replies only. If you mean to create a new thread (by posting a new message unrelated to anything else or by changing the text of the subject header) you should take care to remove all traces of both Re: and [iCab] from the subject header.

More information about this issue is available in message 9831 in the archive.

-- ArneJohannessen

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